The Defiant's First Podcast Episode is Live!

Hello Defiers! Excited to share with you that The Defiant has just launched a podcast to host all the exclusive interviews published on the newsletter weekly. Now you’ll be able to hear these conversations with the builders and users of this new, open and radically transparent financial system directly. I’ll continue publishing the transcripts as always, with the complete version only for paid subscribers.

I’m thrilled that my first podcast guest was MakerDAO founder Rune Christensen. The interview was published yesterday, and today you can hear it from his own words!

Three great quotes:

“It might be that the US dollar will no longer be as prominent as it is today. And you might see that a stablecoin pegged to the US dollar will just be another synthetic asset alongside the euro Dai and the yen Dai and so on.”

“In the long run, we might see banks in the real world actually integrate the protocol and use it to improve their own services.”

“It's all about practical use and real-world impact, especially for the people that have been left on the fringes of the current financial system. Because that's what I think the promise of blockchain is. Unlike a lot of other technological revolutions that have happened already, blockchain has the potential to actually disproportionately benefit the people who are right now at a disadvantage.”

Feedback on the first podcast I’ve ever recorded is greatly appreciated. I really hope you like this addition to The Defiant content and I’m so grateful to all of you Defiers for joining me and supporting me as this newsletter continues to grow.

Now go listen!


The Defiant is a daily newsletter focusing on decentralized finance, a new financial system that’s being built on top of open blockchains. The space is evolving at breakneck speed and revolutionizing tech and money. Sign up to learn more and keep up on the latest, most interesting developments. Subscribers get full access at $10/month or $100/year, while free signups get only part of the content.

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About the author: I’m Camila Russo, a financial journalist writing a book on Ethereum with Harper Collins. (Pre-order The Infinite Machine here). I was previously at Bloomberg News in New York, Madrid and Buenos Aires covering markets. I’ve extensively covered crypto and finance, and now I’m diving into DeFi, the intersection of the two.